Welcome to the Prophecy Pros podcast. I'm Jeff Kinley along with Todd Hampson. Today we have a very, very special guest, a dear friend of ours. Don Perkins is joining us today. And Don and I have known each other and Todd as well for several years. We've done prophecy teachings together, conferences together. We've been out to eat together, we love each other. And it's always great to be

with Don Perkins. Don is the president, founder of according to prophecy ministries. And he travels

really all over the world, helping believers understand what Bible prophecy is all about. Don,

welcome to the Prophecy Pros podcast. Well, I am awesomely blessed to be with you guys today.

I watch a program all the time.

And again, it's a privilege, again, to be with you guys, and I look forward to our time today.

Thank you so much.

We joked before we started recording that this is really just the three of us hanging out,

talking about a topic we love, and our audience gets to be kind of a, the fly on

the wall to hear the conversation that we would have if we're having a meal together or whatever.

So, Don, it's great to have you with us, brother.

Great to be with you.

Amen.

Well, let's jump right in here, Don.

Let's talk about, we're going to talk about the order of in-time events, and we're going to talk about Israel and how she

kind of plays a part in that. But to kind of get us up to speed. I mean, there's a lot of

confusion out in the body of Christ. You know, you see people on TV shows talk about their

post-trib, their pre-trib. You talk about people that are just like, well, you know,

God's going to work it out. And maybe that's where we begin, just that people that take the attitude, that prophecy is really not that important.

And the order of prophecy is not that important.

How do you approach that subject?

Well, I approach it simply with the word of God, you know, and I tell people a lot of times, you know,

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