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Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

God Controls Bad Calvinists: Strawmanning Calvinism

Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

Leighton Flowers

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8826 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2017

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Flowers kindly replies to two good Calvinistic brothers from the Doctrine & Devotion Podcast (Joe Thorn and Jimmy) who have accused him of misrepresenting Calvinism.

Dr. Flowers has written on the all too common accusation of misrepresentation HERE: https://soteriology101.wordpress.com/2017/05/20/you-dont-understand-calvinism/

Here is the mongergism.com link referenced: https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/qna/sovereignfree.html

Joe and Jimmy's podcast can be found at: http://www.doctrineanddevotion.com/

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Sociology 101. Today we're going to talk about straw manning.

0:04.4

Yes, the accusation of misrepresentation. It's very prevalent in this particular discussion from

0:10.9

both perspectives. Both sides don't feel like the other side is representing them properly.

0:15.9

I've written an article on this very issue and I have pretty much come to the conclusion that it's

0:20.6

impossible to represent

0:22.2

accurately the opposition to the satisfaction of every opponent. Why? Because not every

0:29.7

opponent is cut from the same cloth. There's a lot of different kinds of Calvinists, just like there's a lot of

0:34.0

different kinds of non-Calvinist. And therefore, you're not always representing their form of Calvinism or their form of traditionalism or their form of

0:42.3

Armenianism or whatever isom they may hold to, and therefore people feel like they're not

0:46.9

fully being represented properly. And totally get that. I understand that concern,

0:52.3

and therefore we have to really do due diligence

0:54.9

as brothers to try to understand each other individually in the correct way and not overly,

1:01.8

you know, broad brush people in a particular perspective or holding to a particular view.

1:07.0

And while I understand that Calvinism has different heights, sub's sublabsarian, infelabcerian,

1:13.1

superlapsarian, high Calvinist, low Calvinist, mid-Calvinist, author Pink kind of Calvinist that deny that

1:18.4

God loves everybody, John MacArthur kind of Calvinist that says he does love everybody, even though

1:22.9

it's a different kind of love.

1:24.1

And some that deny the concept of the extent of the atonement being limited.

1:28.8

Some say it's more of a four-point kind of Calvinism that the atonement is not at all

1:33.5

limited and believe like we would do.

1:35.7

You can go back and forth on all the different various views and understandings of how

1:40.2

you unpack these different perspectives.

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