Okay, here we go. My name's Todd Adams.

This is Kathy Adams. Welcome back, Zen Parenting Radio. We're going to be talking about perceiving chaos, right?

How to perceive chaos differently. That's what I meant. That's exactly what I meant.

We've gone through this title three times right before we started.

In the last two minutes. A lot of planning going on with this one.

Well, it's the planning. Actually, we came up with this idea over the weekend. We just didn't know what to call it. Remember?

We came up with the idea over the weekend, but no discussion has happened between that moment and two minutes ago. So point is that Todd said embracing chaos initially and I said

that's not really what it's about. We're talking about how to perceive sometimes when things

are chaotic in our lives, how to view it in a different way. Check. All right. Second point,

fact versus fiction or as you say opinion. Well, when your kids, no, no, no. When your kids make stuff up. Stop. But fact and opinion are two very different things, but opinion is not fiction. Exactly. I'm glad we got that figured out. Oh, God. I'm just talking. So the reason... I open my mouth up and words come out. I noticed that. And the reason we're talking about that is because one of my daughters, my oldest daughter,

she's doing something that I remember doing when I was a kid, which is answering everything

very definitively, even though she really doesn't know the answer.

Right.

And I honestly remember doing it and getting into a lot of trouble.

And I don't mean like trouble, like getting grounded.

I mean where people

catch you they'll be like no you didn't do that or no that's not correct but then I'm going to

share a story of how we have to balance that with allowing them to letting them know that their

opinion is valuable but facts are a different thing. So distinguishing the difference.

Distinguishing the difference.

All right.

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