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Well, it's our conversation. Hey, hey, hey. Oh, Lord. Good morning football.

Well, it's our coach Ron Rivera.

What up, coach?

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

Thanks to you.

We were going to talk a lot of other things, but as he always does, John Madden just came to the table in spirit.

And we have to discuss the documentary. His son was just on, but also your relationship with him and what maybe that conversation, because I know you were listening, what it drummed up for you. It drummed up a lot of great memories. First of all, just the fact that he's in his dad's office in Pleasant, California. I went there a couple of times, sit down, visit with coach, as he

mentored me through my head coaching career. Phenomenal building. It's like a, it is, you pay homage to the Raiders when you get there. He has a seven-man crowlers in the parking lot. He told everybody that that's a true story. It is true. I saw it. It's an amazing thing. It really is. And then you see all the memorabilia when you first walk in.

I mean, it really is like amazing thing. It really is. And then you see all the memorabilia when you first walk in.

I mean, it really is like the Raiders Hall of Fame. He's got pictures of all the guys, great statues of a lot of the players he's had.

And then you walk into his office. And sure enough, he has a video set up with screens to watch all the NFL. It's an amazing thing. It really is. It's

really cool. It's amazing. And we always love talking about bad in this time of year,

especially, Ron. But there's so many great dignitaries in the league and so many coaches and so

many announcers. And yet there is something just that's really special and magical about him,

especially maybe for a young person who wasn't around for it. Can you explain what sets him apart from your perspective? Well, from my perspective, first of all, you remember that I remember he was a great coach. I met him when I was 16 years old, a very first time. He and his family come down to Monterey to celebrate after they just won the Super Bowl that year. And he was just that iconic,

but he was so gracious to me. And I never forgot it. And then we developed this relationship as a player

and as a broadcaster. And so every time we played, he would always get a chance to visit with me.

That was always really cool. And then as I became a head coach, I needed a mentor. Somebody to help me get over the hump, it was John Madden, lo and behold. And he was so gracious with this time and treated me so eloquently. It just made me feel great. So every time I see him, every time I got an opportunity to visit with him, I did. And then I got to know Mike a little bit. And we've become friends and hopefully we'll get an opportunity to visit again.

This, you know, sometime when I'm back up in Monterey and he's in Monterey as well.

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