For all the strengths of established news organizations, big, old line newsrooms,

they also have some weaknesses. And from those weaknesses can come brand new

organizations, startups, independent outfits, filling in some of the gaps in the mainstream media.

So what are those gaps? Where are those opportunities? Those are two of the questions for

this week's Reliable Sources podcast. So let's cue the music.

I'm Brian Stelter and this weekly podcast is our chance to go in depth with media leaders

and newsmakers. Talking about how the news gets made, what works well about the media and what

doesn't work so well. My guest this week is Peter Klein. He's a former producer of 60 minutes.

I had originally booked him for an interview a couple of weeks ago for a very specific reason

that we're going to get into in a minute. But Klein's day job now is really fascinating.

Part of a broader trend in journalism as well. After leaving 60 minutes, Klein created

the Global Reporting Center, an outfit based in Vancouver, helping to cover the world

in a different way. So we're going to get into what he is building and what some of his former

colleagues are building. But first, let me bring Peter in to start the conversation. Peter,

welcome to the podcast. Thank you. So let's tell listeners why I had originally reached out to you.

This was because you formerly worked with Lara Logan at CBS at 60 minutes and you penned an op-ed

for the Globe and Mail expressing your astonishment at Lara Logan's evolution or devolution from

the days of CBS now to her opinionated. I don't even know what to call it, days at Fox News.

So why don't we start there and then we're going to zoom out to talk about quality journalism.

But first, why did you feel motivated to speak out about your former colleague?

As Lara continued to both veer into very partisan opinion journalism if you want to call it

or opinion making, but then also got further and further away from fact-based reporting.

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