The Welcome, everyone to another edition of the Cheapete Productions podcast.

My name is Jack Kilby, no gimmicks guy, and I'm pleased, very pleased to welcome back for another interview.

I've had the privilege of interviewing Williams several times on my former channel.

With respect to the renowned research, writing and filmmaking, not to mention podcasting,

that he does on a variety of topics.

But today we're going to talk about one of his books in conjunction with a phenomenon

that we're seeing growing globally.

But he published this book in 2021, and it really was, as you'll see see in many ways ahead of the curve and I'm talking

about global death cult the order of nine angles adam Woffin and the slaughter of the innocence and

I'm pleased again to welcome William Ramsey thank you for joining me again today William

Jack great to be with you. Thanks for the invite.

I think it's germane to start off with asking how did this phenomenon first come to your attention

and what inspired you again four plus years ago now to to write the

book that you did on the order of nine angles and related groups at that time adam wathan

great question uh it's a long answer i was most of most of my career, at least as a writer and researcher,

was kind of interested in researching the occult. So I covered Crowley, West Memphis 3,

this phenomenon known as the SF Smiley Face Killers, which is young men disappearing at night

to be later found a martyr, which is still happening. And it was during that research

into this phenomenon, the SFK phenomenon, is that somebody

came to my, said, hey, have you ever heard of this group called the Order of Nine

Angles?

And I was not aware at all.

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