From the ACLU, this is at Liberty. I'm Kendall Seesmire, the producer of this podcast and your

host for this episode. The holidays can be a challenging time for many. One of the reasons for the

extra anxiety we may feel is due to the kinds of conversations

and sometimes conflict that can come up when we're sharing a meal with loved ones.

Your aunt, grandpa, parent, or cousin says something about politics, about race, about any

marginalized community, and boom, your blood is boiling. You love your family,

but seriously, how can these people be related to you? Okay, you want to be respectful, but also

hold your ground. You don't know how to respond. Well, our guest today, Glennon Doyle,

knows a thing or two about difficult truth-telling,

about creating understanding and about moving people along in their own evolution of love

and justice for all.

On this podcast, we learn a lot about history, about civil rights issues, and about how we can

use the law to move the needle.

On this episode, we're going to spend some time talking about how we can best share that knowledge with others,

the folks who may not be as tuned into these conversations as we are.

Glennon Doyle is the number one New York Times bestselling author of Untamed, Love Warrior, and Carry On Warrior.

She's also the founder and president of Together Rising,

a nonprofit organization that has raised over $25 million for women, families, and children in crisis.

She joins us today to break down how we can better love and lead people to care about the rights

and liberties of those most marginalized.

Glennon, thank you so much for joining us. Well, as you know, I am so excited to be here.

The ACLU is my group of heroes. So this is a big day for me. Thank you for having me here.

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