Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. We have with us an extremely special returning guest Glenn Greenwald, one of the most prime

of our time. His sub stack is one of the most popular on earth. Glenn, thank you so much for taking the time to return to the show. Yeah, I'm thrilled to be back. Thank you for asking me.

So my big question I want to ask you is, you know, I follow your Twitter very religiously as a lot of other people do. And in recent months, it seems to me that you've gotten that you've become more critical of your journalist, the colleagues.

Is that a function of you may be getting more ornery or in your opinion, have they gotten more blatant with their, you know, misbehavior over the last, let's say, a couple of years.

I'm not sure my journalistic colleagues as you simply put it would agree that there's been ever a time in my past when I was less ornery with regards to them as I am currently.

I will have to tell you a little story when I first started writing up politics in late 2005.

My intention was to cover a narrow range of issues that arose primarily out of my expertise in constitutional. I was still a constitutional lawyer at the time and was motivated almost exclusively to write about the civil liberties assaults being waged in the name of the war on terror.

So issues like article two theories adopted by Bush and Cheney about a president's power to essentially ignore congressional restrictions on their power, the ability to attain people without charges to spine them without warrants those sorts of issues.

And realize very early on that there was no way to make any kind of progress entering the discourse without directly confronting the ways in which the corporate press was propagandizing people about those issues because they have such powerful megaphone that if all you're doing is kind of sitting on your little island politely dissenting no matter how convincing and persuasive your arguments are your work is going to be inconsequential.

And so directly confronting corporate media employees forcing them to respond figuring out ways to make them refute the critiques has always been central to my work.

You know, I do think the Trump era radically change journalism for the worst it took a lot of their worst attributes and accelerated them to an exponential degree because they really became convinced and are still convinced that they're waging this existential fight for everything good and decent in the world and therefore anything goes and there are no more journalists to constraints on what they can do.

So I think, you know, certainly my view of them has worsened and so probably my critiques have become a little harsher, but I've always viewed the corporate press as one of my primary adversaries.

I as well as you vividly remember the Bush chain of years and I would like to hear your thoughts about list chainy being basically in the Chinese and W bush being championed by outlets that previously with some reason, you know, compared them to war criminals and Hitler's.

I'm specifically thinking of list chainy being regarded some kind of paragon of integrity when while her sister was a lesbian, she was against gay marriage, even though her father of an older generation who could perhaps be excused for this was for it.

And then later she realized, oh yeah, yeah, I'm forward all along and kind of repaired this rip with her own sister and now she's, you know, being regarded some kind of, you know, holy figure, what are your thoughts on the resurrection of list chaining the Chinese.

Yeah, I think it says a lot about the American right and then also the American left, I don't think it is fair or just to hold somebody responsible for the bad acts of a relative of their parents, their siblings or anything like that.

So I'm not judging list chainy because she's Dick Cheney's daughter and judging her by Dick Cheney's acts, I'm judging list chainy by was Chinese acts and all the things that made Dick Cheney such a despised figure among not just the left, but establishment liberals, I mean, he was basically public enemy number one of everybody, you know, center center left and laugh for essentially the decade after the 9-11 attack was due to his.

His print, you know, he was the principal impetus behind some of the most controversial post-World War II policies in the United States is adopted opening a due process free zone in Guantanamo where we put people in the middle of the ocean thousands of miles from their home and imprison them indefinitely with no trial declaring people, you know, literally, including American citizens enemy combatants, which man we can imprison them even American citizens without trial, the invasion of Iraq and destruction of Iraq.

Obviously, the kidnapping program where we would rent, kidnapped people off the streets of Western Europe and render them to some of the most brutal dictators in Syria and Egypt to be interrogated without the ability of the Red Cross with the human rights network to have access to them all of these things that made the Dick Cheney such a, you know, radical and an hated figure are all things that Liz Cheney to this very day support.

If you ask her about torture Guantanamo rendition due process free detention, she will say to this very day that she believes in all of those and that it was a mistake to renounce any of them.

And not only that, but during the Obama years when her father was gone from office, her primary ally were the neocons were people like Bill Crystal.

And I remember in particular, she formed this really insidious group called keep America safe.

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