Hello and welcome to Giving Ventures, a show to help you grow your giving and change the world for the better.

Our conversations with social entrepreneurs and generous philanthropists highlight innovative charitable efforts and smart ways to have more impact with your giving.

I'm your host, Peter Lipsett, Vice President at Donors Trust.

This show is a production of Donors Trust, the oldest and largest donor-advised fund,

focused on serving conservative and libertarian donors of all capacities to simplify,

protect, and grow their giving.

My colleagues and I talk with a lot of groups doing great work.

With Giving Ventures, we can share a bit of what we learn with you.

Many of us don't think too much about the foster care system.

And, you know, frankly, when we do, perhaps we think about those wonderful people who are

actually willing to take foster kids into their homes.

Or maybe we think in kind of an unfortunate way about the kids who are stuck in that system,

go through that system and how sad that is.

Maybe we think structurally and are like, you know, that probably isn't a very good system.

And we're going to find out in our conversation today, you're right.

It's not a great system.

And we don't spend a lot of time thinking about how we fix it.

And it's really complicated.

It's a complicated process.

It's a convoluted and imperfect system.

One that sometimes, maybe too often, actually leaves the children.

It is meant to help in a worse position than they

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