Hello and welcome to Giving Ventures, a show to help you grow your giving and change the world for the better.

Our conversations with social entrepreneurs and generous philanthropists highlight innovative charitable efforts and smart ways to have more impact with your giving.

I'm your host, Peter Lipsett, Vice President at Donors Trust.

This show is a production of Donors Trust, the oldest and largest donor-advised fund,

focused on serving conservative and libertarian donors of all capacities to simplify,

protect, and grow their giving.

My colleagues and I talk with a lot of groups doing great work.

With Giving Ventures, we can share a bit of what we learn with you.

Public interest law is a fascinating sector of the nonprofit economy.

These nonprofit law firms focus less on making money,

and because that's not their job, their nonprofits,

after all, their job is to establish precedent, to create legal precedent that expands freedom,

protects freedom, protects our constitutional rights. That is the currency of the realm in the

nonprofit public litigation world. And a lot of these institutions, your Pacific Legal

Foundations, Institute for Justice,

some of the state-based or regional ones like Mountain States Legal Foundation or Southeastern

Legal Foundation, a lot of these came around in the 1970s. But over the past decade or so,

there has been a resurgence of some new organizations that have popped up on the scene.

And one of the ones that has flexed its muscle more than most is the Liberty Justice Center.

Based up in Chicago, but working around the country and really made its name several years ago with the Janus case.

And we're going to get into that here in a little bit.

But more recently,

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