He's the most powerful of all the racists who have been connected to the Trump administration.

He's the guy who has the president's ear.

And if people are up to no good, they can use that by giving information to our adversaries

and become susceptible to being used as a double agent.

It was never discussed with me what he did.

I just knew he worked for the government.

And I think, to my knowledge, that was kind of the extent of what most people knew.

Sounds Like Hate is a new podcast series from the Southern Poverty Law Center. I'm Geraldine Moriba.

And I'm Jamila Paxima.

This first season is about how some people become extremists and how some of them disengage from a life of hate.

This is part two of getting out. It's about Samantha, a woman who went from campaigning for

President Barack Obama to becoming an American white nationalist.

It's just really weird. Like, this is the worst thing I've ever done in my life. And despite

the guilt and everything, I almost feel like I'm getting away with something.

It's about the homegrown web of hate Samantha was entangled in, and white nationalists who have

government jobs and political appointments.

These groups, this ideology is leading to violent behavior, even outside of the quote-unquote

policy changes in humane ethnic cleansing or whatever they call it.

It's like a direct correlation, the uprising of violence and the popularity or the rising

popularity of this ideology.

In 2017, Samantha was the women's leader of Identity Europa,

a group of white nationalists who disguised their hate with clean-cut appearances and white identity politics.

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