Hello, I'm Rory Stewart, and I'd like to tell you about an intelligent squared event

I'm doing with the classicist author and broadcaster Mary Beard. Together we'll be discussing

politics and power from the Caesars to Sunack, who gets to Winpar, who is excluded. Does power

always corrupt or other examples of leaders who've maintained their integrity while an authority?

And how does the nature of power vary across different times and cultures? These are just some

of the questions that Mary and I will be trying to answer. In person tickets are now sold out,

but you can still watch online on the 13th November at 7pm BST. Put your questions first live

as we discuss power and politics down the ages. Hello podcast listeners, I'm Connor and welcome

to this week's episode of Intelligent Squared. Today we're featuring Kate Rayworth in conversation

with Matthew Taylor on getting into the Donut, a new vision for economics. In this episode they

discussed Rayworth's concept of Donut economics and how it can help us with challenges like

financial crisis, extreme wealth and climate change in the 21st century. It's a really fast

ending conversation and if you do enjoy it you can find a link for the book in the podcast description.

But now let's go to the episode. Thank you, it's great to be talking again. We've spoken

to each other many times over the years and I've watched with admiration as Kate's work has

become more and more influential. Kate is the author of Donut Economics, seven ways to think like a

21st century economist, one of the most influential books to be published I think in the last 10 or 20

years. But she's also a senior associate at Oxford University's Environmental Change Institute

and is also professor of practice at Amsterdam University of Applied Sciences. So, Kate,

first of all how are you? Well, I'm well actually and looking forward to talking to you again.

Good. Well, I mean I don't want this to feel too cosy but maybe this is a declaration of

interest or something. You I think first started talking about Donut economics in 2012 at an RSA

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