Welcome to Getting Curious

Curious I'm Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a 40 minute conversation

let's be honest it's really usually always longer than 40 minutes.

I'm sorry it used to be 40 and now I can't stop asking questions I don't know what happened but anyway

Each week we sit down with a brilliant expert where I get to ask them all about something that makes me curious

On today's episode I'm joined by Professor Meredith Brousard

where I ask her. We're being watched. Now what? Our guest this week on

getting curious is is our second time together. We are obsessed. We learned so much we can't stand it.

You are definitely someone who when I met you I smash the follow button. I have been following ever since you also just made a gorgeous if I do say so

myself debut on Netflix. You are Meredith Broussard, a data journalist. You are also

an assistant professor at the Arthur Al Carter Journalism Institute of New York University.

You also have been newly featured on the documentary Coded Bias,

which is major. It explores just how bias algorithms can be and the dangers are relying on them too much

Meredith. How are you and welcome back? I am really excited to be here. Thank you for the

invitation. I do want to kind of just quickly go through to get people up to speed just in case they didn't listen to our first episode.

So your book, Artificial Unintelligence, you taught me from, I think you talk about in that book. It's the

techno chauvinism honey. I talk about this techno chauvinism a lot every Every time I look at my blinds,

I think I didn't choose techno chauvinism

because I just got the good old fashion

and that was because of you.

I was like, I'm not getting these automatic chauvinistic blind. Oh, I'm not.

Those guys would break.

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