Welcome to getting curious. I'm Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a 40 minute

conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.

This week we're re-erring an episode from June 2019 with the incredible writer and performance artist and someone who I'm

honored to call a friend, Aloke, where I asked them,

how grateful are we to live beyond the gender binary.

Welcome to getting curious.

I'm so excited to introduce our beautiful guest, Aloke, who is a writer,

performance artist, fashionista, extraordinary. So nice to have you here, welcome.

So happy to be here. Thank you. Well, um, so it's I don't know if you heard this. Did you know it's Pride Month? I didn't know I did. I don't know if you heard anything about it. This is awesome's, you know, we're already like almost halfway through unfortunately, but I just found out, I'm just

kidding. We love Pride Month.

I thought it was Straight Pride Month.

No, what is that with, we're going to have to hit that point later, we'll get there.

But you are a very, you are having, I mean you've been working towards creating your moment for a second, but I feel like you've been on my radar for a second, but you're really coming into your own in public in a visible way that has just been so beautiful and exciting to watch.

I'm curious about you. I want to know everything. I'm so inspired by you and I look up to you and yeah so yeah yeah tell me about everything okay sure like

welcome to morning therapy my name's a look like you said is and tell me a joke

a joke a look I'm a gender-conforming writer and performance artist in My name is Aloque, like you said, is in Tell Me a Jocaloke.

I'm a gender-on-conforming writer and performance artist.

And basically what that means is I'm a cancer Leo rising with a lot of feelings.

And the stage is really the only place where this culture allows us to like cry and laugh so that's

where I am most of the time. I've been performing now for about seven years

touring the world so I've performed in over 43 countries at over 500 venues.

And a lot of my work is about challenging the gender binary.

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