GETTING CURIOUS | How Can We Show Up For Mutual Aid? with Dean Spade

Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness

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Science, Self-improvement, Comedy, Education, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 20 January 2021

⏱️ 52 minutes

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This week on Getting Curious, the writer, activist, and educator Dean Spade joins Jonathan to discuss how we can meet our neighbors’ survival needs through mutual aid, and better understand the systems we live under in the process. Listen in to learn about what mutual aid is, how it differs from charity, and why local wisdom is essential for sweeping change. Dean Spade has been working to build queer and trans liberation based in racial and economic justice for the past two decades. He’s the author of Normal Life: Administrative Violence, Critical Trans Politics, and the Limits of Law, the director of the documentary “Pinkwashing Exposed: Seattle Fights Back!,” and the creator of the mutual aid toolkit at BigDoorBrigade.com. His latest book, Mutual Aid: Building Solidarity During This Crisis (and the Next), was published by Verso Press in October 2020. You can follow Dean on Twitter @deanspade and Instagram @spade.dean. Find out what today’s guest and former guests are up to by following us on Instagram and Twitter @CuriousWithJVN. Check out all new Getting Curious merch at PodSwag.com. Listen to more music from Quiñ by heading over to TheQuinCat.com. Jonathan is on Instagram and Twitter @JVN and @Jonathan.Vanness on Facebook. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to Getting Curious, I'm Jonathan Van Ness, and every week I sit down for a 40 minute conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.
0:10.0	On today's episode, I'm joined by Dean Spade, a writer, activist, and associate professor at Seattle
0:16.4	University School of Law where I ask him, what's mutual aid? Welcome to getting curious, this is Jonathan Van Ness.
0:24.2	I'm so excited for our guests this week.
0:26.2	We have Dean Spade.
0:27.8	You have spent your entire career working to build
0:30.5	queer and trans liberation based in racial and economic justice, including
0:34.0	this one of my very favorite parts of the sentence, including founding the Sylvia
0:37.6	Rivera Law Project. Your new book is Mutual Aid, which I just have to say, after
0:42.3	having read, it starts off have to say, after having read,
0:43.5	it starts off as mutual aid,
0:44.6	but then it turns into like the stunning advice
0:46.8	book for all things life and made me have lots of questions
0:49.6	about how you figured all this stuff out.
0:50.8	So anyway, how are you and welcome to the show?
0:53.2	Thank you, I'm so happy to be here. Me too. And also there are some very stunning
0:59.0	natural light on your face and you are coming to us from Seattle, right?
1:02.4	Yes, that natural light is unusual.
1:05.0	Yeah, so I'm really happy that Seattle is having a sunny day.
1:08.0	And on that note, I really just want to kind of jump right in.
1:12.0	One thing that we've talked about on getting curious
1:14.3	in the past is the nonprofit industrial complex.
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