Welcome to Getting Curious, I'm Jonathan Van Ness, and every week I sit down for a 40 minute conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.

On today's episode, I'm joined by writer and scholar Anna Malaica Tubs, where I ask her,

how can we honor Black Motherhood?

Welcome to Getting Curious, this is Jonathan Van Ness.

I'm so excited to interview our guest this week. She is an author. She is also this, you know, I've been saying for years on this podcast, I love like a PhD moment I can't help it you are a

PhD candidate at Cambridge which just sounds so fancy honey you're a Bill and

Melinda Gates Cambridge scholar she's also an educator on diversity, equity, and

inclusion and she sent the last four years as the first partner of Stockton

California. Her new book, The Three Mothers, tells the story of the women who raised Martin Luther King Jr.,

Malcolm X and James Baldwin. Welcome to the show.

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

So you have written such an incredible book.

It's coming out this week.

And everyone I just have to tell you that we're on Zoom right now and I did just give on a quote, and in quotes because it's actually coming out in a couple weeks and this is really

like a few weeks from the past. But this book is so incredible and actually right before we

jumped on I learned something about this that I think I want you to share but

So I'm just blown a way to learn that this is the first time that these three prolific women have been profiled.

How did this idea come to you?

How did you start to approach it?

Wow.

Yeah, it is a surprise that these three men have not put together. It's definitely a symbol of the fact that they have been erased through history.

To my benefit, sure, that I'm the first person to do this, but it definitely is also quite

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