Welcome to getting curious. I'm Jonathan Van Ness and every week I sit down for a gorgeous conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.

On today's episode, I'm joined by Dr. Sarah Elizabeth B. O'Sare where I ask her how can my dogs live

their best lives? Welcome to getting curious this is Jonathan Van Ness. I'm so excited, I cannot handle my excitement for today.

This is like a really relevant topic in my life.

I'm burgeoning with curiosity.

We have a literal doctor, and if you've been listening to getting curious for some time you know that I freak out for like a doctor I mean I freak out for everybody but really a doctor just takes me there

So welcome to the show Dr Sarah Elizabeth Bioser who is the director of the Thinking Dog Center at

Hunter College where she focuses on studying the behavior and cognition of domestic

dogs and other Iads canids yeah you got it canes how how can we

don't say canines well we have different classifications and so we can say canids when we're talking about things that go beyond just domestic dogs.

Ah, so like as a canid, like what are those other little things in Lion King, like there's the three of them and they

like they're you know they're kind of best friends and they're like kind of

dogish. They're hyenas aren't they? Hyenas so are those cats? I actually don't

know I'd have to go look it up but really fun fact about hyenas.

Females have a pseudo-penis, so that's kind of random. But that's literally the only thing that I know about hyenas.

I do not study them. But you should get a hyena expert on the show. I didn't mean to go take such a hard left I just so with a

canid like a like a wolf. Yeah so we have different types of classification systems.

So when we think about canons,

you can think about things like wolves,

you can think about things like dogs,

you can think about things that are essentially

sort of canine like. I've literally never heard that word until I read your bio.

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