Welcome to Getting Curious, I'm Jonathan Van Ness, and every week I sit down for a gorgeous conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.

On today's episode, I'm joined by Aviaya Leibereth Hoptman where I ask her what's on the menu for Arctic indigenous communities

And before we jump into this episode, I want to give you a little bit of a little like story of how this episode came to be. So basically we did our

episode about cheese and the history of cheese, how cheese is made, and we got

such a huge amount of feedback from some vegetarian and

vegan friends more vegan friends that were really really angry really

really like instantly super upset and I do think it was interesting in the cheese episode because

even though it was centered around cheese and yes cheese comes from the agricultural system blah blah

It's like the whole thing there's a whole spectrum of cheese farmers. There's a whole spectrum of how

cheese comes. There's a whole spectrum of the way that it's made in in terms of

scale. And also in that episode there was a lot about legalities in the United States

about like food systems in general that affect all of us

no matter if you're of meat, dairy eater,

vegetarian, whatever.

If you've ever seen my comedy show,

you know I talk a lot about duality.

While we do have a, I think, out of control agricultural system in the United States

that does see us kill, as Gabe taught us like 10 billion, think he said sentient beings but a huge

amount of sentient beings a year between chickens pigs, cows a lot of it goes to food

waste which I think is horribly wasteful there's too much animal suffering in the United States, and at the same time,

a plant-based diet does not work for everyone everywhere.

There are so many indigenous communities around the world that cannot support that lifestyle.

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