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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Get Ready for Impeachment

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 September 2019

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Is the impeachment of Donald Trump finally just a matter of time? The columnists discuss how the president’s attempt to pressure a foreign government to undermine a political rival quickly turned a progressive pipe dream into an inquiry backed by most House Democrats. Then, the other 2020 primary: three eclectic Republicans running to unseat the incumbent president of their own party. What do their quixotic campaigns say about the state — and the future — of the G.O.P.? For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:02.0

I'm Ross Douthett.

0:03.5

I'm David Lee and Hart, and this is the argument.

0:07.0

This week, get ready for impeachment.

0:10.0

I don't think you can overemphasize just how abrupt the change has been, the damn sort of first all at once.

0:18.0

Then, we talk about the 2020 primaries on the Republican side.

0:22.0

Anyone who runs for president against an incumbent president who probably shouldn't be president deserves a certain amount of credit

0:29.0

and admiration, and finally, a recommendation.

0:33.0

I have had a feeling that I've never had in the past, which is this desire to be in the future looking back analytically at right now.

0:53.0

Just one week ago, it seemed highly unlikely that House Democrats would impeach President Trump.

0:58.0

But then came the news about Trump's attempts to pressure Ukraine to produce dirt on Joe Biden.

1:03.0

And suddenly, everything changed.

1:05.0

This week, Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, who has long been opposed to impeachment, announced that she's going to open a process that could ultimately lead to the president's impeachment.

1:15.0

Michelle, you've been in favor of impeachment for a long time, and I know you've been frustrated that it wasn't happening.

1:20.0

But I assume now you think it really is likely to happen.

1:24.0

Yeah, I really do. And I think it's, I don't think you can overemphasize just how abrupt the change has been, the damn sort of burst all at once.

1:33.0

I had a column, you know, calling out Nancy Pelosi for her failure to begin impeachment proceedings.

1:40.0

And for failure to do it after the Mueller report, which I think emboldened Trump in his latest betrayal of the country with Ukraine.

1:49.0

I had background conversations with people on both sides of this issue and got no sense as of Monday morning that there was any real movement.

1:59.0

And then by Monday evening, impeachment had seemed inevitable.

2:05.0

Well, I agree with you that it's likely to happen. And as regular listeners know, you and I've been on different sides of this, I have previously thought impeachment would be a mistake.

2:13.0

I thought it would have been a mistake after Mueller, because I don't think it would have persuaded people who didn't already think Trump should be gone.

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