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Welcome to That's What She Said with Sarah Spain, a podcast about, well, whatever the hell I want,

actors and musicians, athletes, comedians, neuroscientists, wine experts. If I find somebody

interesting, I'm bringing them to you. We'll talk about how they became who they are, how they

found success, battle failures, and how they ended up here, talking to me. Hey everybody,

welcome to That's What She Said with Sarah Spain. I'm out in New York all week,

filling in hosting around the horn for Tony Riali. So today's podcast is actually a re-air of one

that I thought was particularly timely right now in light of Dishon Watts and signing with the Browns.

It's with my former colleague, Carrie Potts, who's a survivor of sexual assault. She tells her

harrowing story of escaping a man in Italy on this podcast. She's also an award-winning communications

pro. She's got 20 years of experience working for a bunch of companies within sports and

entertainment, women's economic policy, and the nonprofit sector. So she spends a lot of the

podcast sharing some of the information that I was able to be privy to a couple years ago as part

of one of the seminars she would give fellow ESPN employees about how we talk about sexual assault,

rape, harassment, domestic violence, using the right language, educating ourselves on it,

and making sure that we're smart when we talk about it on the air. And she really stressed what an

impact we have as communicators and how we can shape so much of how the audience views things.

I was blown away not only by her presentation, but the reaction that so many people in the room,

particularly men had to what she said and how counter it was to so much of the conditioning

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