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Welcome to another episode of the Restless Policy and Leading with me, Alistair Campbell.

And with me, Rory Stewart. And me, Jerry Adams. Well thank you for introducing yourself and

let me say Jerry Adams, let's describe Jerry Adams. I think Jerry Adams to some a heroic freedom fighter

leading his country to unity and peace and prosperity, to others a figure of hate and seen as

a man of terror and violence. To me, the guy that I saw very, very, very often in close proximity,

particularly with Tony Blair and Bertie Ernie, who we've just bumped into, and an integral part of

what became the peace process and the Gujaranian agreement. So something of enigma. It was only

because we persuaded you and your government to embrace peace. And when Mr. Blair changed

British government policy to actually talking to Shinfian Imagine, I just imagine that the British

government wouldn't talk to a person who had a mandate as an MP leading a political party,

which had a declared publicized peace object. But you moved before that, in a sense.

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