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Gernot Huber, founder of Yoga Mind Yoga Body, happened to take a few of J's live stream classes via a mutual friend and had some constructive feedback and criticism. In this talk, they discuss Gernot's background in silicon valley, his studies in ecology and evolutionary biology, how he ended up being a yoga teacher, and his ideas on learning to disrupt the stress response. Ultimately, they engage in a spirited and friendly debate on the pros and cons of periodically engaging your edge with mindfulness and non-attachment to achievement.