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Yeah, this is like the kind of big puzzle, big, you know, problem with Europe,

is that Germany, its biggest far away and its biggest economy,

was not prepared to kind of put its physical foot down and, you know, go for growth in that way.

And now, because it's been shoved into it, it probably will be.

And so that just changes the dynamic in an interesting way.

In a matter of weeks, Donald Trump has upended America's relationship with Europe.

His questioning of the NATO alliance, as well as the warning that the US is no longer

Europe's protector, is driving investors to scoop up shares in presumed winners like

German defence firm Ryanhein Matal.

Investors are also grappling with the implications of trade wars between the US and Europe.

This is all changing the dynamics between Europe and the US.

Europe wants a lumbering market with demographic issues that were likely to stem growth

is now looking more exciting,

thanks to the new German leader who plans to abandon a fiscal handbrake. How CEOs and other

leaders can take advantage of the situation and its impact on companies and markets is the focus

of this week's Viewsroom.

Welcome back to the Views Room, the weekly podcast that invites you the listener into a lively debate about the big stories of the week. And I'm your host, Amy Donnellin. And I'm Jonathan

Guilford. So Jonathan, the tables are beginning to turn. I think it was like before Donald Trump became president, it was pretty much every month there was a company talking about moving its listing to the US, wanting to look a bit more American. George Hay, who we're going to have on in a second, you know, wrote about

Hulsome, you're basically, you know, doing something to essentially make itself look more

American, which you can talk to us about. What is the view from the US? Because obviously,

in this scenario, it looks like Europe is becoming more appealing. There's more draw to Europe,

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