Hello, my name's David Rumsman and this is Talking Politics.

This week we're talking to George Mombio about the future, about the environment, about how politics

could be better, and about Michael Gove.

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I spoke to George Mombio when he was in Cambridge recently as part of an event called Imagine 2027, which is about trying to imagine a better politics in 10 years' time.

We spoke just before he addressed a huge audience at Anglia Ruskin University, literally hundreds and hundreds

of people. You can see the full version of his talk at the Imagine 2027 website, which is

imagine 227.org.uk. And he answers a lot of questions too from all sorts of different people.

We got to the heart of it in our conversation, and I began by asking him the straightforward question.

Why does he think politics will be better in 2027?

Political failure is at heart a failure of imagination.

It's a failure to see where the cracks in the wall are.

And what this series of talks is trying to do is to find where those cracks are, to identify exciting potential visions.

Obviously, if we stick to the tracks we're on, we're in serious trouble for all sorts of

reasons. Environmental, economic, political, none of it

looks good at the moment, but it's because we're stuck in the old ways. We're stuck with the old

stories and what we urgently need to do is to change our stories. So you wrote recently, and I

have a lot of sympathy with this, I think we can both say this. You

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