The Republican Party is in a full-blown moral collapse, and no one has been more clear-eyed

or outspoken about this than George Conway.

As a prominent lawyer and former Republican, he's now one of Donald Trump's most effective

critics.

On this episode, we discuss the state of the Republican Party, what a post-Trump GOP could

look like, and what may be next for George's

own political journey. But before we get into any of that, make sure you subscribe to Democracy

Docket to stay informed about what you can do to protect democracy. George Conway, welcome

back to defending democracy. Thanks for having me once again. It is always great having you,

and I always have a million questions for you.

But let me start with kind of a big picture framing question about Donald Trump and the Republican Party.

Now, you know Donald Trump particularly well, better than I do and better than most people.

I mean, I know him well from having observed him for many years.

I mean, I've only been him a few times.

And you know Republicans well as well.

There are kind of two dominant narratives right now.

The first is one that I ascribed to, which is that Donald Trump wants to be a dictator,

is an authoritarian, has sycophants surrounding him in the White House

and in the Department of Justice and other agencies, and they are systematically attacking

democracy. So that's kind of thesis one. The thesis, too, is that Donald Trump is an addled

old man who is frankly losing his marbles and is surrounded by people who are not particularly competent.

Which is it? Is it that they are doing systematic damage to democracy or they are sort of chasing their tails?

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