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The Times Tech Podcast

Genomic Prediction’s Elizabeth Carr: “Scoring embryos”

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 3 December 2021

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Elizabeth Carr, America’s first baby conceived by in-vitro fertilization and patient advocate at Genomic Prediction, to talk about the new era of pre-natal screening (5:45), the dawn of in-vitro fertilization (8:40), the technology’s acceptance (12:10), what Genomic Prediction does (13:40), scoring embryos (16:30), the slippery slope (19:20), selecting for smarts (24:15), the cost (25:00), and the future of conception (28:30). PLUS Dan Benjamin, bio economist at UCLA, comes on to talk about why he and others raised the alarm about polygenic scoring (30:20), drawing the line between prevention and enhancement (34:15), limits of the tech (37:15), what else we can select for (40:00), and unexpected consequences (42:00).

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0:00.0

Yo, technology. What is it all about?

0:04.4

If you've gone through hell and high water to have a child and then not know, in my mind,

0:12.9

if you have good odds or bad odds, you know, being able to look at the, mitigating the risk.

0:20.4

I'm not saying like we are eliminating it, right?

0:22.6

We're just telling you, based on all of the information we have,

0:25.9

these are the least risky embryos or embryo that you could move forward with.

0:31.9

There are going to be potentially profound consequences if people start selecting on skin tone and hair color and eye color.

0:39.9

You know, it could reinforce certain stigmas.

0:42.9

There are going to be things that are unintended consequences that we can't foresee at this point.

1:04.4

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly podcast from behind the scenes and inside the minds of the top people in tech.

1:13.0

How is everybody? I'm feeling good, fighting fit. I took last week off, obviously. For Thanksgiving, i ate and eight and eight and i saw family and of course i took part in the classic holiday ritual of running through the

1:18.9

airport with way too many bags child care paraphernalia hanging off all appendages masked as well of

1:27.1

course and trying to get a five-year-old and a three-year-old to keep their masks on.

1:30.6

Super fun, that aspect of it.

1:32.5

I highly recommend it.

1:34.2

But anyhow, it's back.

1:35.9

I'm feeling good, feeling great,

1:37.2

and I'm here this week to talk, of course, about designer babies.

1:44.0

So there's a startup called Genomic Prediction. There's actually

1:47.7

several startups working on this, but genomic prediction is who we're going to talk about today.

1:51.7

And what it does is it analyzes embryos that have been created in vitro. And it screens them

1:57.2

for an extraordinary number of diseases ranging from cancer to diabetes, hard disease,

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