Hey, wonderful's welcome to episode 516 of the JV club with my fantastic guest Jennifer Hutchison.

I have to say, this is so dumb, but there's something bittersweet about the fact that this is episode 516 and

it's coming out on May 18th aka 518 we were so close to perfect nerdy synchronicity, but the last was not to be.

Anyway, I had the enormous pleasure of doing the Jocco cruise with Jennifer and I'm such a fan of hers and was very very very excited to have her on the podcast

She basically wrote on just all all the best shows. I'll just drop I'll just name drop a few. Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul.

Now she is working on Lord of the Rings Rings of Power and she's rad so I hope you enjoy this episode I'm

sure you will and if you were listening to this and are in the Atlanta area I'm

going to be at

MomoCon the last weekend of May which I guess is was that Memorial Day weekend and

and so it be very fun to see hopefully some of you there and I'll be updating with other

schedule stuff in the coming weeks.

So I'm going to stop stammering and stuttering and let you listen to the wonderful Jennifer. So, So you and I met on the Joko Cruz and it's just a very specific experience that you are completely immersed in. And so, and I remember when I, like last year I did it and then I went to Europe afterwards and it was the first trip that I took and it was only, it was only maybe a month after Joko but it's sort of

Washed a little bit of the Joko off and I mean that in almost a sad way

Do you know what I mean? Like it's sort of, it's like, oh, okay, I'm having this totally other immersive experience.

And I think I kind of needed that because in past years I've done it and then kind of just gone back to everything being the same for months afterwards and I've missed the like you know the sort of weird

instant camaraderie that happens on that cruise and stuff.

So my question is, did you experience a feeling of that after the cruise and

was your trip abroad something that kind of like some cells replaced those Joko cells when you when you were there and came back.

Yes the the cruise and it was my first time going so I had really no idea what to expect. I talked to a few people

who'd gone in the past and they gave me like bullet points. But I really had to...

I was like to be there for that bullet point meeting.

It's a thing that has to be, you know, experienced.

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