Anyway, Barbara, I wanted to get right to this. I don't find this, and I've looked at a lot of aspects of this case, and I've been to a lot of these type of cases where you can't explain really exactly what happened.

And that's when you need the science of death to come in and say, okay, we know what it is.

We know what it is because, and I just want to put,

one of the things the detectives do is, of course,

response to the scene.

And that is so important.

The first person that observed Betsy Arakawa's body,

that was important.

What position was the body in?

What room was she in?

What else was in the room?

They reported that there was medicine, a one of the pill bottle tipped over.

What were those medicines?

All of those things are very important.

And the other thing is, is that we don't rely on the detective's memory. We memorialize that with video and or still photos.

So that there's no guessing. The other part of this is that they find Mr. Hackman, Gene Hackman's body in another part of the house, which is described as the mud room.

Now, there are certain death investigators out there,

the most famous one, Dr. Michael Bodden, who is as old as the Bible.

I'm going to get a hate mail for that one.

But he's an old guy.

He's been around for a long time.

And he came up with a certain prediction,

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