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Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

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🗓️ 25 July 2025

⏱️ 140 minutes

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Summary

Rachel and Van start the show by talking about the passing of the infamous Hulk Hogan and the complexity of his legacy. Then, the host of Two Personal, Joy Taylor, joins us to talk about processing the surprise cancellation of her show, how she was treated in comparison to her male counterparts, and her opinion of men. 00:00 - Welcome! 00:37 - Hulk Hogan’s passing 03:56 - Joy Taylor joins us 38:57 - Feelings toward Fox 48:58 - Will the dam break? 57:48 - Vulnerably in certain spaces 1:02:18 - Opinion on men 1:56:41 - What does Joy want to build? 2:18:39 - Thanks for watching! Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guests: Joy Taylor Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors.
0:03.3	What's up?
0:04.2	Our learning's on is Ivan Lathan Jr.
0:05.7	And it's me, Rachel Lenton.
0:07.2	Joy Taylor is here, but she's not involved in this part of the show.
0:11.3	We have an interview with Joy coming up,
0:13.6	but she talks about how much she loves me.
0:18.9	It's going to be very simple.
0:19.9	I got to say one thing, though. Can I not be involved with this part of the show either? You don't want to be involved in this? Go ahead. As we were doing this, we had a great conversation with Joy. It's very wide-ranging. It's a long conversation. We're going to get to that in a second. But as we were coming on to do, the podcast, something happened.
0:37.8	We don't have anything Trump and Epstein for you. There'll be more on that. Probably next Tuesday. But Hulk Hogan died. Hoke Hogan died. Hogan passed away. 871. I think it was a heart attack. I do have to say something about Hulk Hogan. Rachel, you don't want to say anything about how much.
0:36.0	I don't feel anything.
0:37.4	I mean, I... I do have to say something about Hulk Hogan. Rachel, you don't want to say anything about Hull Hogan.
0:56.1	I mean, I, I, yes, I grew up on wrestling, but not Hulk Hogan.
1:01.7	We talked about this.
1:02.7	My dad was really big on wrestling.
1:05.2	The Rick Flair, the dusty roads, the stings.
1:09.1	Do you know any Hulcogen memories?
1:27.5	Thunderlips? Yeah, you know, I didn't see the movie. But when I think of Hulk Hogan, I think of one thing. You know, I'm not a movie person. Joy. I've seen the first one. Okay. That's good. I'm not only doing anything but get angry. All angry. There's a lot of things happening.
1:28.7	This is what I say about Hulk Hogan.
1:30.4	And I mean this very sincerely.
1:32.8	There's a term that people use.
1:34.5	The term is a life well-lived.
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