Welcome to today's discussion. My name is Glenn Dyson. With me is Alexander Mercuris from the Duran and John Meerschimer, the great IR scholar of our time. Welcome to the both of you.

So I thought we could start off by discussing an article written by, yeah, Professor Meersheimer.

I recently called Death and Destruction in Gaza, referring them to Israel's actions in Gaza

with the support of the US, you know, being a crime against humanity that seemingly

has no military purpose.

And, well, when I first read the article, my first thought was it didn't seem like a usual

Merchheimer article because as a political realist, you often tend to analyze cold,

cold hard national interest to assess how to explain the actions of states.

But in this article, you begin by writing that some of the purpose was put on historical

record now, that not all Americans were supporting these crimes being committed.

And also in your conclusion, you suggest, you know, ask if there's no decency left.

So I agree with the sentiment completely.

I just made that observation that it stands maybe a bit out from your usual writing. But taking me to this point,

what would be the cold, hard national interest really in Gaza? Because for the Israelis,

why this indiscriminate killing?

The massacre of civilians, destruction of hospitals and civilian infrastructure, deliberately starving, the population.

Again, what you're describing is, of course, we can, even if we ignore the issue of morality and decency,

this action seems to be alienating Israel's allies and uniting its adversaries, which could be even suicidal for Israel in the long

run. So, well, first, from Israel's perspective, how does this serve Israel interest? And secondary,

how does it serve U.S. or even European interests? Because I would say both

the U.S. and the EU continue largely to express unconditional support, making themselves

complicit in this crime to a large extent. So again, I don't see how this can be defined by

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