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Hello and welcome to the Big Technology Podcast, a show for cool-headed, nuanced conversation

of the tech world and beyond. TikTok is in a state of limbo as the U.S. government decides

whether to ban it. In August, President Trump signed an executive order

demanding that the app either sell its U.S. operations or shut down in the country due to security

concerns. The order gave TikTok a 45-day deadline, but after a few extensions were now in

December, and TikTok is still operating. The app's future is murky,

and it's fair to wonder whether it actually knows what the government wants from it.

And as we wait, the business and its users twist in the wind.

Joining us today in a live podcast taped at Web Summit are Gary Vaynerchuk,

owner of Digital Ad Agency VaynerMedia,

and Blake Chanley, TikTok's head of global business solutions.

And away we go.

Hello everyone out there at Web Summit and to those listening on the Big Technology Podcast. I'm thrilled to be here with Gary and Blake for a fascinating discussion of TikTok and where it's going.

So let's start with the question that's on everyone's mind and I'll toss it to Blake first.

What's going on with TikTok right now?

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