No Jumber, coolest podcast in the world and today I'm having to sit down.

There's been many many times over the years where people have said to me

Adam why you always in black people business?

Why you always reporting on gang leaders of the black race?

Why don't you go talk to a skinhead?

Why don't you go talk to somebody who looks more like you? And as I've become deeper

and deeper into the sort of like prison slash criminal pipeline on YouTube, I came upon some videos titled skinhead gang leader and I was like

that's it that's what I need in my life I got to talk somebody who's really walked the yard and represented for the

wood pile that they lumped me in on. Garrett how you doing man? I'm doing man

man that's a good that's a good intro.

I'm like dad keep going keep going I'm

filling that right now man I'm filling that dude and yeah and man and a lot of times I

get that introduction of something like that, man.

I'm gonna tell you when you're 290 pounds and you're six, seven,

and you're sitting there in a level four, level three,

you know, level two, little prison, and I'm saying that everybody is just like that's the guy right that's a guy you know and I never had like I never really had to like you know I don't I don't like the title

the titles are something that can be taken you know, and so it was just like that I was the,

I was the biggest dude there, bigger than cops, bigger than COs, bigger, just humongous,

man, and I think that gave me a lot of leeway you know and stuff and and

plus I was uh I grew up in the system and so you know it just sort of gave me like you know I

I got that experience of a working I was like the right hand and lots and lots of guys man and right

because you like I'm very fascinated by the idea of you kind of showing up on the yard and

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