Hey guys, welcome back to the Roots and Refuge podcast. My name is Jessica Sowers. I'm your host.

My friends call me Jess, and I hope you will too. And here on this podcast, we talk about all

things food growing, homesteading, gardening, raising animals, and just trying to live a more

mindful life. Today, I have a special guest who has been on the podcast before and I'm sure we'll be on

the podcast many more times.

And I will tell you, Will, it's not just that it's terribly convenient because you're here

five days a week and we can just come hole up in the pantry where I record the podcast.

But also, I think Will has a lot to offer.

And there are so many times that he and I will just be out working side by side.

I think during the work days, I probably spend the most time with you than anybody. And we'll just start talking about things.

And I'll think, man man this would be a good

podcast yeah so we are trying to intentionally record these so this is will cuncle hello everybody

will will uh does work here at roots and refuge farm but he also has his own thing will you tell

if this is someone's first interaction with you will you tell a little bit about yourself and like what

you're doing? Okay. So I work for Jess, obviously. Let's see. If they're first interaction

with me. I've always been an outdoor guy ever since I was a little kid, got into gardening

like my last year of college, ended up spending some time in Bulgaria on a polyculture

slash permaculture farm.

And that's where I first got exposed to permaculture.

That was in 2017.

And I came back and I've been going down the rabbit hole ever since with just growing things and got into homestead and all that from there.

Yeah. So we got connected. Actually when we were in the process of moving out here, Will was working

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