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And right now, we're talking about Galatians.

Were your parents real worried about who you hung out with growing up?

My parents were worried about that.

They were very worried about that.

But they tried to be careful about it because they were socially smart.

They still are socially smart.

And they didn't ever want to do a thing that would activate the rebellious streak in me. If you say I can't hang out with them,

then that's who I want to hang out with. If you say not to smoke cigarettes, all of a sudden,

I love cigarettes. I don't think I was ever really that kid, but they were smart. They knew that

if they were like, hey, we don't like that girl, never talk to that girl again.

I was probably going to end up having more of a crush on that girl because, I don't know, I was a teenager and I was an idiot.

Maybe I wasn't trying to be rebellious, but, like, you know, when you're a kid, you've got that I know best, mom and dad don't know best thing but instead they would try to

gently make the case and they'd be like hey you know the people you hang out with they kind of

make you and the situations you put yourself in they will shape who you are.

The values of the people you hang out with usually, at least to some extent, will become your values.

So rather than pick and fights with all my different friends, I mean, like, I don't like what that kid does.

I don't like what that kid does.

I mean, sometimes they'd say that.

But more often, my parents taught me in principles. I think they did a really good job. I'm really proud of who my parents are and I'm really grateful for the way they came at it. And I'm hoping to do half as good a job

with my kids. But one of the lessons that sticks with me from all of that is just this idea

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