Today we're going to talk about an update on Joe Manchin and his position on the filibuster

and I interview legal analyst and prosecutor Glenn Kirschner where we discuss Matt Gaetz's

rapidly devolving scandal, including a glaring hole in a story and how a pardon might still

factor into all of this.

I'm Brian Tyler Cohen and you're listening to No Lie.

So let's start off with Joe Manchin.

Now if you've been trying to keep up with where Manchin stands on the filibuster, good

luck.

From absolutely not touching the filibuster to, okay, maybe we'll reinstate the talking

filibuster and now it seems like we're back to square one because we got this statement

out of him.

January 6th changed me and I was very clear with everybody.

I never thought in my life.

I never read in history books to where our form of government had been attacked at our

seat of government, which is Washington, DC, and our capital by our own people.

Now the British did it, but not Americans.

So something told me, wait a minute, pause, hit the pause button, something's wrong.

You can't have this many people split to where they want to go to war with each other.

Okay.

So Manchin is now saying that January 6th changed him and that you can't have this many

people split that they want to go to war with each other.

And so for that reason, he wants to keep the filibuster because it forces a bipartisan

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