to another issue now, Professor Gadsad, the evolutionary behavior scientist, who is not woke,

but was one of the first to take issue with the name of my new book.

Gagg, welcome back to Unsensor.

What is wrong with woke is dead?

Thanks for having me back.

I haven't read it yet, but just from the title, it's a bit presumptuous to celebrate that all of the parasitic ideas that

constitute wokeism are now eviscerated.

Well, I don't say, to be clear, I don't say this.

This is more an aspirational title.

I make it clear that woke is still there.

It's dying out.

And the reason I say that is you're seeing screeching reversals now

around the world in things like corporate DEI policies, in the trans-issue of trans

athletes in women's sport. You know, time and again, we're seeing the reaction to things like

the Graham-Linnahan arrest immediately reversed by, I think, huge public opinion against it.

What you're seeing is a response now from, I believe, the majority of people who have a common sense valve saying,

we're just not having this anymore, sorry.

So that's what I mean by, I believe the ideology is dying out, but we have to make sure it is killed off,

because I do believe genuinely it's been very damaging.

I mean, it's undoubtedly true that there has been a bit of an auto-correction.

I mean, just having Donald Trump win the presidency

resulted in immediate executive orders that reversed many of the nonsense.

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