This is Jenny Allen and you are listening to the Made for This podcast.

Well guys, you're gonna love this. We have a friend back on the podcast again who actually our last conversation ended up in my book,

find your people because it so impacted me and I wanted to dig in deeper into the things we talked about the first time. So, Jay Biro is so good to have you back on the show. Thanks for coming back.

Thank you for having me. I'm excited for this second talk.

Yes. So to give everybody a little recap, talk just very high level about your story in case they missed the first episode.

My name is Michelle. I was born and raised in a place called Matare. Matare is in Africa and a little bit younger for us.

I grew up in a single family. Just my mom and my brothers, just four brothers.

My mom was trying everything possible to put food on the table and just the normal things that any parent could do.

The only job that she had that was there to sustain as was selling the link which is called channel. And so she did that for a while and then at some point it became so hard for her to do it.

And so, you know, we started having a normal problems in Madhara, not everywhere in the world in Madhara, where by lack of food, days without food or even when you get food is not like quality food is not balanced food.

So it's anything that you can get just to get your very full. One of the biggest challenge was lack of mentorship and somebody to talk to my dad was never never there.

My older brother was also in the same problem. There's no way it could help me. And so because of all those things and those problems are ended up going to the streets of Nairobi, which is a capital city of Kenya and it became a beggar.

And I was begging to find anything to eat and then I would take what about find back home to my family. And at this point my mom had tried or attempted suicide.

So we started living with my grandmother where we were not the only kids there. Other cousins and aunts were staying with her and she didn't even have a job herself.

And so any time I would beg anything from the street, I would go home and I would feed all of those guys. But then when I didn't, when I would go to the streets and I didn't find anything, I would have to go back and tell them we didn't have anything.

And so that means they would go to bed hungry because I was just eight years old and I ate all kid who would get anything for them to eat.

And so that became a challenge and when I would tell them we don't have anything. And so that led me to thinking what else can I do. So I joined a group of young people who were stealing and I became a thief and I wasn't so lucky because at the age of nine I was arrested and I went to prison and going to prison as bad as it sound.

It was much better than the alternative. And for me, that was probably my darkest moment being in prison and not knowing what's going to happen next, not knowing what my life is going to be like.

Of course, the only thing I wanted was to get out of prison and out of poverty. The only way I knew how I knew how I was to pray to God.

And so I nailed down in prison and I pray to God and ask actually asking for those two things to get me out of prison and out of poverty.

I didn't know how that was going to happen because of course I'm just praying because I wasn't a believer, but I knew about off God. So I was like, you know what, let me try this. I did.

And he's always, he got me out of prison, but then the other part was still hanging around. How am I going to get out of poverty because I'm still going to be poor.

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