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Okay, two of my favorite people are here today. This whole season it's like get my favorite people to the podcast. Jessica Hanager, Annie Boss Camp as we like to call her around here.

Guys, it's gonna be a good day here.

I didn't book that friendship again. Just keep just write the rest of your books on friendship.

So we can just hang out. Right. That's the point. Yes. I mean, I will say, y'all, we're about to disclose some things because we started something after the book was written.

It would have totally been in the book if it happened earlier, but it happened mostly after it was written.

And so I want to dive right in and I want to talk about what we are part of. And Jessica, really your vision and how you created this incredible little thing that we call confessional community.

So tell everybody a little bit about a confessional community.

I feel so weird. Like I'm the like you're asking me like I'm a founder of a group or something. I don't feel that way. I mean, I do feel like we all came to this, especially, you know, Ian and Jenny and I

really tossing it around and committing to it a few years ago, I had, and and Jenny and a few other women out to my parents branch.

They're about seven of us. And we invited Dr. Kurt Thompson, who I had met at a leadership conference and I really fell in love with his work and asked him to come and hang out with seven women for a weekend.

And he did. And I think that was the beginning of wow having a group of seven and going this deep and really creating a safe space.

I have to admit I wanted more and I always feel like I want more than other people.

And I tend to hold my cards back. So after that, it had been tossed around like maybe we could should keep doing this, but I felt like I don't want to put that demand on people.

Continuing something I like to be very open handed, even though inside I have a want from like, gosh, I like this is life. Like this is my favorite thing in the world is going to steep with women.

If people want to commit to this, that's like two more than I can ask for. So then fast forward a couple years later, and Kurt actually started writing a book and he actually that time at the branch really influenced him.

And really kind of, you know, kind of painted a vision. And so we kind of all started talking about what it would look like to really have a safe, consistent, very vulnerable place for a few women.

And then it just kind of grew from there. And so I call I'm a facilitator. Please don't call me the leader of this group. I won't call you the leader. She's later anyway.

There's just a handful of us. Everybody is a leader in summer guard carrying something heavy. And that's kind of what brought everybody together. And so there's been a lot of talk about work and marriage and and pressure and and difficulties that we're all facing.

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