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Full Interview: Smithsonian Head Lonnie Bunch in 2020 on Telling "Unvarnished" History, Trump & More

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Democracy Now!

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4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 August 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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In early 2020, Democracy Now! spoke with the newly appointed secretary of the Smithsonian Institution, Lonnie G. Bunch III, in Washington, D.C.

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0:00.0

This is Democracy Now, Democracy Now.org. I'm Amy Goodman.

0:07.4

President Trump said Tuesday, the Smithsonian Institution was too narrowly focused on negative

0:14.5

aspects of U.S. history, including, quote, how bad slavery was, unquote.

0:20.0

Trump's social media posts minimizing the horrors of chattel slavery

0:23.5

came after the White House ordered a far-reaching review of Smithsonian Museum exhibitions in order to

0:28.9

ensure they align with Trump's interpretation of U.S. history. In July, the Smithsonian's National

0:34.4

Museum of American History removed references to President Trump's

0:38.0

two impeachments from an exhibit. The Washington Post reports the change occurred during a content

0:43.1

review done under pressure from the White House to remove an art museum director. The references

0:48.3

were restored earlier this month, though with changes to the prior text. In a letter to the

0:53.5

Secretary of the Smithsonian Lonnie Bunch,

0:55.7

the White House writes that first museums to be reviewed would include the National Museums

1:01.5

of American History, of African American History and Culture, the National Museum of the American

1:06.5

Indian, among several others. Well, in early 2020, just before the pandemic, I had the opportunity

1:12.9

to sit down with Lonnie Bunch at Bus Boys and Poets in Washington, D.C. on the occasion of his

1:18.0

release of his new book of Fool's Errant, creating the National Museum of African American

1:22.5

history and culture in the age of Bush Obama and Trump. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you

1:29.3

the 14th Secretary of the Smithsonian.

1:37.3

Miracles do happen.

1:47.8

So, how does it feel Lonnie Bunch the third?

1:53.2

To be the first African American head of the Smithsonian and the first historian leading the Smithsonian.

1:58.6

I think that for me, being the head of the Smithsonian

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