Hey friends, the Exiles and Babylon conference is coming up, April 3rd and May 2nd.

All the information is at Theology in the raw.

If you plan on attending live, I'd register ASAP if you haven't done so already.

You could also attend virtually.

All the information is on our website, Thealjeanerod.com.

My guest today, I'm so excited about this, Josh White is a recording artist and lead pastor of Door of Hope Church, which is a thriving church in the heart of Portland, Oregon.

Josh is an avid reader, as you'll see.

And just a really thoughtful, Oregon. Josh is an avid reader, as you'll see, and just a really thoughtful, engaging,

interesting guy. Like, he's just like, it was such a fun conversation, and he has a really incredible testimony. I've known about Josh from a distance and always been a deep admirer of the kind of church he's created.

Just not your kind of typical church. Let's just, yeah, you'll, you'll see as we have our

conversation here. Josh is also the author of stumbling toward eternity, losing and finding

ourselves in the cross of Christ. And yeah, I've known of Josh for a while,

but I've never hung out with him. So I honestly had no pre-planned direction for this conversation.

Just wanted to meet him and hit record, which made it super fun. I could have talked to Josh

for hours. Yeah, he was just so intelligent and so fun. So this interview was recorded in person, Portland, Oregon.

So if you're listening to this podcast, you might want to pop over to the YouTube version so you can see us hanging out in person.

Okay, please welcome to the show for the first time, the one and only, Josh White.

You guys got all the artists over there,'t she it's it is a lot of artists

yeah which people either come in and they're like I love the worship here like

this isn't like what I'm used to yeah is it uh what is yeah what's the worship like

do you it's not it's not a I mean we'll do like songs that are known, but, I mean,

I would still say that we do like probably 80% original.

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