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From the Vault: “Baseball & Espionage” –with World Series Champion Ryan Zimmerman & Marc Polymeropoulos (Part 1 of 2)

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4.41.7K Ratings

🗓️ 4 July 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary Ryan Zimmerman (MLB Stats; Wikipedia) and Marc Polymeropoulos (Twitter; LinkedIn) join Andrew to discuss intelligence and America’s pastime. From the SpyCast Field of Dreams. What You’ll Learn Intelligence Sign-stealing and codebreaking Glue guys and teamwork Ethics in baseball and espionage Clutch and pinch hitters in espionage and baseball Reflections Daring to fail Stepping up to the plate of life And much, much more… Episode Notes Buy me some peanuts and crackerjack. Few things in the world compare to sitting back, putting your feet up, and cracking open a cold one while watching the World Series.  For the 2021 World Series Marc joined us for a fantastic discussion on the links between baseball and espionage. How do we top that? A baseball fanatic ex-CIA officer?  Why, how about getting a first-round draft pick, World Series Champion with over 6500 at-bats? Done! Enter Ryan Zimmerman, Mr. National!  Ever wondered about signs-stealing, how to run a baseball counterintelligence operation, or what some of the many, many links are between baseball and espionage? You’ve come to the right place for a discussion that goes to the bottom of the ninth inning over a two-episode conversation. Ryan played for the Nationals from 2005, when he was a first-round draft pick, through to 2021, when his #11 jersey was retired. He is an ex- All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove winner, and 2019 World Series Champion.  Marc is a highly decorated former CIA operations officer who specialized in counterterrorism, the Middle East, and South Asia. Prior to his retirement, he served at CIA headquarters in charge of clandestine operations in Europe and Eurasia. He is the author of the 2021 book, “Clarity in Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the CIA.” And… “Big Data” is upending many fields, not least baseball and espionage. Gaining a competitive edge is central to both activities, the big argument is about how much “soul” is lost along the way. The Houston Astros have been a lighting-rod team, whose “smart and modern” or “cold and cynical” approach has been discussed at Penn's Wharton School of Business and in the pages of the Harvard Business Review.  Quotes of the Week "I think “Dare to Fail” is enormous. I would want you to put me up at the bases load in the bottom of the ninth. I'll take it every single time. Even if I feel like I have zero chance, I want to be there." - Ryan Zimmerman "You know, you have to have that mentality in these professions." - Marc Polymeropoulos Resources *Andrew’s Recommendation* Moneyball, M. Lewis (W.W. Norton, 2004) Love it or hate it, this is the first port of call for any reckoning of baseball and analytics.  *SpyCasts* “Baseball & Espionage” – with Marc Polymeropoulos (2021) *Beginner Resources* Spy Agencies Struggling in Age of Big Data, A. Zegart, Wired (2022) [article] Baseball Analytics for the Casual Fan, Simple Sabermetrics (2020) [7 min video] Beginners Guide to Baseball Analytics, N. Allen, Fansided (2018) [article] Best Baseball Analytics Resources, Simple Sabermetrics (2022) Books Spies, Lies and Algorithms, A. Zegart (PUP, 2022) The Catcher Was a Spy: Moe Berg, N. Dawidoff (Pantheon, 1994) Articles Baseball and Cybersecurity, S. Handler, Atlantic Council (2020) Baseball’s Rude Welcome to Age of Cyberespionage, N. Paine, 538 (2015) The Man Who Remade Basketball, M. McCluskey, Wired (2014) Baseball on Exhibit: Musuems in the SABR Era, Z. Jendro, SABR (2011) Video Lessons from the CIA’s Analytic Front-Lines, B. Pease, JHU (2022) Sabermetrics 101: Baseball Analytics, A. Andres, Talks at Google (2016) CIA’s Chief Information Officer - Advanced Analytics, D. Wolfe, O’Reilly (2015) Primary Sources The PC Goes to Bat (1984) *Wildcard Resource* Get “Analytics Certification” from the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) - which is where the term “sabermetrics” comes from!

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0:00.0

You're listening to the CyberWire Network, powered by N2K.

0:11.0

Welcome to Spycast.

0:15.0

The official podcast of the International Spy Museum.

0:19.0

I'm your host, Dr. Andrew Hammond, the museum's historian and curator.

0:24.0

Each week we explore some aspect of the world of intelligence and espionage.

0:28.0

It's past, it's present, or it's future.

0:32.0

To celebrate the 4th of July, here is a tantalizing teaser on the focus of this week's Spycast.

0:58.0

Yes, that's right. For this week's episode, we re-release our World City special from last fall.

1:08.0

And yes, it features no less a figure than Mr. National 2019 World Series Champion, Ryan Zimmerman.

1:18.0

Alongside Ryan is one of my favorite podcast guests of all time, known as one of the most decorated CIA officers of his generation.

1:27.0

The chock full of energy, self-confessed baseball, not that is Mark Polymeropolis.

1:34.0

And what a duo they were.

1:36.0

If you don't see many links between baseball and intelligence, then you really need to listen to this episode.

1:42.0

From spying to sign stealing, to covert communications, and the power of number crunching, we touch on all of these themes and more.

1:50.0

Personally, I think that both of the guys knock it out of the park.

1:56.0

Listen to two figures who reach the top of their respective fields.

1:59.0

Have a good chinwag with yours, truly, to celebrate the 4th of July.

2:03.0

Happy birthday, America.

2:09.0

Well, I'm so glad that this is happening, and I'm glad I think it's a great follow-up to the one that me and Mark had last year.

2:16.0

And now we've got a bona fide, Mr. National baseball player, World Series winner with us, which is really adds another dimension to it.

2:26.0

So thank you gentlemen for coming in this morning.

2:29.0

The first thing that I wanted to start off with, is there anything that you've ever wanted to ask a CIA officer who happens to have wrote an article on baseball and espionage.

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