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The Audio Long Read

From the archive: The race to create a perfect lie detector, and the dangers of succeeding

The Audio Long Read

The Guardian

Society & Culture

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2023

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

We are raiding the Guardian Long Read archives to bring you some classic pieces from years past, with new introductions from the authors. This week, from 2019: AI and brain-scanning technology could soon make it possible to reliably detect when people are lying. But do we really want to know?. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/longreadpod

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0:00.0

This article contains a reference to suicide.

0:04.0

This is The Guardian.

0:12.9

The Guardian Archive Long Read.

0:23.9

Hi, I'm Amit Katwala. I'm an Editor at Wired magazine and the author of The Guardian Long Read,

0:28.6

the Race to Create a Perfect Lie Detector and the Dangers of Succeeding, which was published in 2019.

0:39.0

I first got interested in the subject while I was watching Making a Murderer,

0:42.4

which was a Netflix show, a true crime show about a guy called Stephen Avery who had been,

0:46.6

he says, wrongly accused of a couple of crimes that he said he didn't commit.

0:49.9

That case got worldwide attention in the Netflix series Making a Murderer.

0:54.7

Every season of that show, there was a test that he did to try and clear his name called a brain

0:59.6

fingerprinting test, which purported to be able to tell if someone was lying based on a brain scan.

1:06.0

My background is in experimental psychology and I was immediately quite skeptical of this technology

1:11.8

and I started researching it, I interviewed the creator and that sent me down the rabbit hole of

1:16.9

the new lie detection technologies that I look at in the piece. So brain scans, AI, voice analysis

1:22.5

and all these other things that I'd try and talk about in the article.

1:28.3

The article traces the long history of lie detection from ancient China through to the present day,

1:34.3

but particularly the polygraph machine and then the new things that have sprung up to try and replace

1:38.9

the polygraph machine. The underlying premise of the piece basically says that these technologies

1:43.9

can never really work and that we are simply repeating the same mistakes that were made a century

1:49.2

ago with a polygraph machine with these new types of AI lie detector and that despite

1:54.4

some concerns over how they work, they are still being snapped up by governments and police

1:59.6

forces and companies that want to stamp out lying.

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