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The Audio Long Read

From the archive: Latin America’s Schindler: a forgotten hero of the 20th century

The Audio Long Read

The Guardian

Society & Culture

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 29 December 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

We are raiding the Audio Long Read archives to bring you some classic pieces from years past, with new introductions from the authors. This week, from 2016:Under General Pinochet’s rule of terror in Chile, one man saved thousands of people from the dictator’s brutal secret police. How did Roberto Kozak do it – and escape death? By Ewen MacAskill and Jonathan Franklin. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/longreadpod

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0:00.0

This is the Guardian.

0:09.4

Hi, my name is Jonathan Franklin.

0:11.2

I'm the author of Latin American Shindler.

0:13.6

I've forgotten here of the 20th century.

0:16.8

One of the amazing things about the tragedy of human rights and

0:19.7

Chile, and particularly of the Pinochet dictatorship, is that

0:23.6

Chile learned so many lessons that they were able to export their

0:26.8

kind of democracy lessons to the world.

0:28.9

And given that we have migration issues all over the planet that

0:32.5

we have all sorts of mistaken beliefs about migrants being

0:36.8

criminals and migrants being demonized, I thought it was rather

0:39.9

interesting to go back and look at a classic of diplomacy in

0:43.8

which human rights for the forefront and which saving migrants was

0:48.0

noble. It seemed to me that most of our diplomatic efforts these days

0:51.8

are not focused on that.

0:53.1

So I was really intrigued by this idea that one person could make

0:57.5

such a big difference in a massive migrant crisis and show the

1:01.8

story of migrants in a way that wasn't either racist or

1:05.9

derogatory.

1:06.7

Here was just a really honorable diplomat putting his life on

1:09.8

the line time after time, which is kind of what I always thought diplomats

1:13.5

were supposed to do.

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