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The Guardian. Hi, my name is Sabai Mthialis, I'm the author of The Peace you're about to listen to

and I'm speaking to you from a very busy neighborhood in Garachi, Pakistan. So I had been interested

in this story for many years. All of the details were sort of in bits and pieces that I'd read.

We're very intriguing. There was, you know, one meeting that had happened at an ice cream shop and

I guess because of the profile of the men, the poroches were a very rich and privileged family

and there were not the kinds of people who, as one would say, this you would expect this to happen

to and I think that's why people were shocked when these events originally happened. In the early

2000s is that nobody would have expected that these rich and privileged people could end up in the

US roster system, so to speak. For me what was really interesting is that I couldn't really understand

how a father and son had both gotten into this and how this kind of narrative had been built around

them and yet no one seemed to know what the charges were. It was just very unclear and what was

most interesting to me was that they had really been kind of forgotten. So people would never

talk about them or reference them or pull protests for them. Things happened in the early years

after they were picked up but not anything after that. It's not even that people didn't care about

poor Pakistanis picked up on the battlefield but they didn't care about even rich Pakistanis

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