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bringing you interviews, inspiration and information on writing, publishing options and marketing ideas for your book.

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And here's the show.

Hello, creatives.

I'm Joanna Penn.

And this is episode 560 of the podcast.

And yes, I got out, bit out of sync with my numbers. But I'm pretty sure this is 560 of the podcast and yes I got out but out of sync with my numbers but I'm pretty

sure this is 560 and it is Saturday the 3rd of July 2021 as I record this. In today's show I'm

talking to Jin Stevens about how she wrote her first self-published book, Delay Don't Deny, which shared her story of

losing weight and more importantly, gaining a lot of health benefits with intermittent fasting

and how that then led to a traditional publishing deal and a huge community of people who

find her books and information transformational, including me. I've been intermittent fasting for almost a year now,

and if you want more details of my story, I'll be on Jin's show intermittent fasting stories

in the next couple of weeks. We also talk about the pros and cons of self-publishing,

the problems with relying on one platform, and why Jin quit Facebook to start

a private membership group, which I know will resonate with many of you, and quitting Facebook

seems to be a thing at the moment. So that is coming up in the interview section.

In publishing news, there's a good interview on the self-publishing show, episode 285, with Jane Friedman,

who always has interesting things to say about the long-term view of publishing, as she's been in it for a couple of decades now, I think,

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