Hi everybody. Welcome to the Nick Bryant podcast. Today, I have podcaster extraordinaire, Sean Atwood.

Sean, how are you doing today? Excellent. I'm like I was saying, we've just had a baby, so that's turned my life upside down in a great way, though.

Baby Ziggis is just over one year old right now.

And it's, oh, the happiness, the love, the joy.

It's something else, isn't it?

But it makes you, when you're covering these stories like Diddy, Epstein, Franklin,

it makes you doubly passionate and furious when you hear what these monsters get away with it's amazing well

you're an old dog learning new tricks with a kid are you getting lots of sleep he's quite good

there are some nights i've been up five six in in the morning, wheeling him around town in the

pram trying to get him back to sleep. I've managed to become a productive member of society,

but not a reproductive member of society. So congratulations. You've gone from a very difficult

time to becoming a productive member of society, becoming a reproductive

member of society.

Well, you ended up in the United States.

Tell us about your little odyssey to the US of A.

So I grew up in a town in between Liverpool and Manchester, didn't have much money growing up,

but I watched that movie Wall Street

and I started to idolize misguidedly Gordon Gecko greed is good and I went

down the library I ordered dozens of books on the stock market came across George

Soros started to worship him that's reversed of course of course, with my activism. And my motto was, you know, greed is good. My aunt who mentored me in America. She was like, it's F or B F'd in the business world, cutthroat. And I've got to make a million by the time I'm 30 or else I'm going to kill myself, a bit like Escobar that's how mercenary I was so I arrived in Arizona in 1991 I was living off cheese

on toast bananas my first couple of years because it was commission only and I wasn't making any

money but five years in I was the top guy in the office grossing half a million a year

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