From Racial Reckoning to Race Abolition

Honestly with Bari Weiss

The Free Press

News, Society & Culture

4.6 • 7.8K Ratings

🗓️ 28 September 2022

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Today’s episode is borrowed from the feed of the great podcast The Fifth Column. Usually hosted by Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch, this episode, which aired in July of 2022, features Kmele and two guests who have become elder statesmen around the persistent issue of race in America: John McWhorter and Glenn Loury. Over the past few years McWhorter, Loury and Foster each have written, discussed and lectured exhaustively on anti-racism, the role race plays in America, and the changing meaning of the word “racism” itself. In this episode, they talk about the inadequacies of regarding people solely by their racial category, the dignity of the individual and what a future might look like if we were to abolish race all together. While all three men bring a contrarian streak to this discussion, you’ll find that they have disagreements when it comes to questions of race abolition and the so-called “Racial Reckoning” of 2020. Loury is an economist and professor of social science at Brown University. You can listen to his interview with Bari here. McWhorter is the author of numerous books, including Talking Black and Woke Racism. He's also professor of Linguistics, Philosophy and Music at Columbia University, and a columnist at The New York Times. Since 2015 Kmele Foster has been a prominent voice in a number of discussions about race in America, including his reporting challenging the mainstream media’s verdict on Amy Cooper, better known as the Central Park Karen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:26.6	So for fact sake, search the economist.
0:28.7	I'm Camille Foster, sitting in for for Barry Weiss and this is honestly.
0:35.0	Just over a year ago I was here to report for an episode of Honestly entitled The Real Story of the Central Park
0:41.0	Karen. It was an episode that featured an interview with Amy Cooper,
0:44.7	a woman who, while walking her dog in a secluded area of Central Park, would encounter a man that she
0:50.5	never met. The pair would have an altercation of some sort and Amy would
0:55.2	eventually make a fateful decision to call 911, a decision that would change her life
0:59.9	forever. I'm sorry I'm going to ramble and there is a man African-American who's a
1:04.4	bicycle helmet. He is recording me and threatening me and my dog. There is an African-American man.
1:11.8	I am in several words. He is recording me and threatening myself and my dog
1:18.0	I'm sorry I can't hear you either.
1:20.0	As a story garnered headlines across the United States and around the world, a very simple and tidy narrative quickly took hold.
1:27.0	This is an illustration of why George Floyd is not an isolated incident.
1:32.0	Amy Cooper knows there's no respect for black citizenship
1:35.0	and she can pick up that phone and she can say an African American man
1:38.0	who's an innocent birdard in Central Park
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