Hey, what's up Karen Feeding listeners? It's me, Lucy Lopez. We're on break today celebrating

Indigenous People's Day and you should be celebrating too. But we wanted to share an episode

our friends over at How To Did that we think you'll love. It's called How to Quit

IVF and start a new chapter. It's about trying to grieve and move on after ending fertility

treatments, especially when the journey didn't end with having a child.

And their expert is outgoing U.S. Poet Laureate Ada Limong, who was just fantastic.

This is a really great episode, especially because chances are you know someone who has struggled with infertility,

or maybe you have yourself. Whatever your parenting journey is, it's worth a listen.

So keep listening for that, and we'll be back on Thursday with more of our usual triumphs and

fails advice, and let's face it, shenanigans.

There's not a lot of people you can talk to about it.

You might have friends that are going through it at the same time, but then they're going through a different experience. If you're in an online group, people drop off

because they become mothers, you know? So it becomes so private and it can become more and more

isolating, the more and more your situation shifts.

I'm Courtney Martin, and this is how to, the show where listeners bring us their toughest questions and we find the perfect person to give them guidance.

Today's episode is about the road to parenthood, whether or not that journey ends with a child.

We'll be talking about infertility, lack of control, and loss. Now, if this episode isn't for you,

we completely get that. Please take care of yourself, and we'll see you next week. But for those

of you sticking around,

you're in for a nuanced, all too rare conversation about the things so many people find

while pursuing parenthood. Sadness and frustration, sure, but also unexpected joy and peace.

And with that, I'd like you to meet Lauren, who is in her 30s. I think everyone

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