What makes choosing life so, so difficult?

You weren't meant to be a mom anyway.

This is a response that an abortion facility worker said to today's guest when she came

in for her abortion at the age of 19.

Can you imagine someone saying that to you, women?

That's sort of derogatory laissez response from a facility worker is a common thread in the stories of women

who have abortions. We often hear this phrase. You weren't meant to be a mom.

Or maybe you just have kids later.

Hey, everyone.

I'm Kristen Hawkins.

Thanks for joining me this week on the explicitly pro-lady podcast.

I'm very excited to have today's guest on.

Fortunately, today's guests did not listen to the advice of that abortion facility worker.

Kelly Tolman, she did not have an abortion. Instead, she went on to not only give birth, but then went beyond and started her

own pregnancy resource center next to an abortion facility in Georgia, as well as a new

organization, the Pelican Project, which is an online resource and support

for parents and educating children about the sanctity of human life.

Co-founder of the Pelican Project, a Massachusetts native, Kelly Tolman, moved to Florida

after high school to pursue studies at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Florida.

I'm very jealous.

During Kelly's second year, she became pregnant and struggled under the cultural pressure to abort.

After three failed abortion appointments, Kelly and her now husband, Fred, chose life for their

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