Hello, my name is Father Gregory Pine and welcome back to the Timistic Institute podcast for this off-campus conversation, during which we follow up with speakers who have given lectures on campus or

participated in conferences so that way we can chase down some of the insights that they

will have set forth in their lectures or conferences and for this episode of this

installment of off-campus conversations I'm delighted to be joined by Professor

Michael Pekolic.

Thanks so much for joining.

You're quite welcome, Father. Great to be here with you.

So your name will be familiar to many listeners from lectures that you've given that have appeared on the podcast.

Also from your wife's name, which is your name, which is how those things typically work or often work,

because she was just on off-campus conversations.

For those who don't know you, though, would you say a word of who you are, where you're from, and what you do?

Well, I'm an ordinary professor of ethics and social philosophy in the Bush School of Business at the Catholic University of America.

And I work on Aristotelian ethics and theory of society generally and theory of a free society,

you might say.

Okay.

I talked to your wife just a little bit about the Bush school, but I was talking recently to a German student

from Munster, whose name I've forgotten right now, and he was describing how one of like the

organizing or thematically integrating principles of the Bush School is virtue. Is that right?

Or how is that so?

Well, some people say that.

Well, I don't really like it, frankly.

Well, why should virtue be a distinctive organizing principle of a business school as opposed to a law school

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